is this a bug or a game mechanism? - Guild Wars Forums

lursey · Sep 12, 2007, 09:18 AM // 09:18

I am not sure whether the act of ferrying people into the last quest of Duncan elite dungeon is a bug or a game mechanism.

here is how it works.

the Duncan's door will not be made accessible unless the other 4 quests have been done.

however the whole team can be ferried to Duncan if there is only 1 person in the team who have killed all the other 4 quests....

which makes this a very good economical opportunity for that person who had done the 4 quests, not trying to killing off Duncan, and keep on ferrying people into the Duncan's room..

this is manifested by people in Umbral Grotto, advertising ferry trips to Duncan , pricing around 1-2k per person in the team.

the run will generally take less than 4-5 minutes, and that person will be able to earn around 7-14k per run if there are a lot of groups going in.

However it seems to me this is not the same for chap 2's elite mission or other kind of ferrying, because Duncan can be killed in this way, very quick and the Hierophant's Chest can be exploited many many times, without going through the so called "whole elite dungeon" quest.

I just wonder, if that is okay for this kind of ferry to be continued.

arcanemacabre · Sep 12, 2007, 09:39 AM // 09:39

So, are they just mapping out after getting them into the room?

lursey · Sep 12, 2007, 09:46 AM // 09:46

the person who ferries people may decide to stay in the group, and upon the death of Duncan, leave the game and ferry another group of people..

so yes.. he can just leave the room, or

he can stay and make Duncan nearly die and leave the game.. and rinse..the quest again..

it seems to me the reward of that chest and the difficulty will then become an issue of too high rewarding for just a short quest.

where the reward is not for benefiting the player's skill but game exploitation.

Senrath · Sep 12, 2007, 10:57 AM // 10:57

Considering that Slavers' Exile will completely crush an unwary group, I think it benefits SOME skill. And personally, I like it better than DoA, where it was almost impossible to complete the final part without a near perfect group.

Antheus · Sep 12, 2007, 11:36 AM // 11:36

Slaver's Exile is henchable.

Some people however prefer to get straight to the point, and have no problem dishing out money for it.

So.... where's the problem? Complete the first parts, then ferry people and make money. This will drive the prices down, and make you rich at the same time.

Why shouldn't someone sell skill and ingenuity? If it's so easy, why doesn't everyone do it?

lursey · Sep 12, 2007, 11:47 AM // 11:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antheus

Slaver's Exile is henchable.

Some people however prefer to get straight to the point, and have no problem dishing out money for it.

So.... where's the problem? Complete the first parts, then ferry people and make money. This will drive the prices down, and make you rich at the same time.

Why shouldn't someone sell skill and ingenuity? If it's so easy, why doesn't everyone do it?

straight to the point without doing anything supposed to do, then why not just put a chest outside an outpost and drop 10 gold items at a time?

Mordakai · Sep 12, 2007, 12:47 PM // 12:47

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Originally Posted by lursey

straight to the point without doing anything supposed to do, then why not just put a chest outside an outpost and drop 10 gold items at a time?

Isn't that what Nightfall did with the free chests?

It's not a scam, and IMO, not an exploit (although Anet might see it differently).

If it stay this way, we can assume Anet is OK with it, like running level 1 characters to Droks. If it changes, the gods have spoken and decreed it immoral.

quickmonty · Sep 12, 2007, 01:17 PM // 13:17

It's probably an exploit. If so, ANet is working on it right now (rather than fixing other things in GW:EN

)

R!ghteous Ind!gnation · Sep 12, 2007, 05:32 PM // 17:32

Well it would be easily fixable... EVERYONE has to complete all other quests before Mallyx is playable.

plasmasword · Sep 12, 2007, 05:45 PM // 17:45

It's too hard to find a full group of 8 who have completed the first bosses before duncan...

Jeremy Untouchable · Sep 12, 2007, 09:31 PM // 21:31

yeah, its allways asked in my alliance, has anyone beaten a couple of the slavers quests? then we grab a team and do the rest of them and beat it. I dont think this should be changed. Its hard enough to get up a all human team for dungeons as is. Plus, you are missing a lot of drops by skipping to the end anyway.

Sergeant of Marines · Sep 13, 2007, 02:39 AM // 02:39

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Originally Posted by quickmonty

It's probably an exploit. If so, ANet is working on it right now (rather than fixing other things in GW:EN

)

Then why can a person beat GWEN in an hour or so, by being in a group with a person that has beat it, they can take the person to the final 2 or 3 quests and go beat the Great Destroyer????

CyberNigma · Sep 13, 2007, 03:54 AM // 03:54

well if the chest really only drops 3 items (according to wiki) for an 8-person team, then I don't see any reason at all for people not going in there the quick route. If 8 people beat the dungeons then 8 people should get rewarded. If wiki isn't right, then disregard my comment.

I remember back in my enlisted days giving half of a brief to a bigwig from somewhere I can don't want to mention. After the brief was over he had his pet lieutenant (every bigwig usually has one) give the other guy a coin (1 per brief). It kinda makes you feel like shit. Then again, as the poster above me (judging by his name and chevron) will probably attest, that's what officers do lol.. It relates. 8 people go through the dungeons, 1, 2 or 3 people get the reward, the rest kinda feel like shit.

EDIT: Ok, scratch my comment then. Another entry in a different place mentions it does drop 3 items PER player. If that one's right, my argument goes away. Still its a game, and although I like to eventually do everything, some people like other stuff, like showing off wares and stuff. More power to them. It doesn't affect my play and only really affects people who play to trade, which more power to them as well.

lursey · Sep 13, 2007, 05:30 AM // 05:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberNigma

well if the chest really only drops 3 items (according to wiki) for an 8-person team, then I don't see any reason at all for people not going in there the quick route. If 8 people beat the dungeons then 8 people should get rewarded. If wiki isn't right, then disregard my comment.

I remember back in my enlisted days giving half of a brief to a bigwig from somewhere I can don't want to mention. After the brief was over he had his pet lieutenant (every bigwig usually has one) give the other guy a coin (1 per brief). It kinda makes you feel like shit. Then again, as the poster above me (judging by his name and chevron) will probably attest, that's what officers do lol.. It relates. 8 people go through the dungeons, 1, 2 or 3 people get the reward, the rest kinda feel like shit.

EDIT: Ok, scratch my comment then. Another entry in a different place mentions it does drop 3 items PER player. If that one's right, my argument goes away. Still its a game, and although I like to eventually do everything, some people like other stuff, like showing off wares and stuff. More power to them. It doesn't affect my play and only really affects people who play to trade, which more power to them as well.

it drops 3 items per player

Sha Noran · Sep 13, 2007, 06:56 AM // 06:56

Come on guys, this is ANet! It's not a bug, it's a feature!

jammerpa · Sep 13, 2007, 02:14 PM // 14:14

Getting a green from the Hierophant's Chest is very rare. My group did 5 runs last night (ferried every time for 1k a piece) and only 3 greens weps dropped. Thats 35 times the chest was opened and only 3 green weps. So unlike the Mallyx chest where eveyone gets a green weapon, you really need to grind at this to get anything decent.

I'd say it's not a bug.

makosi · Sep 15, 2007, 01:43 AM // 01:43

It's just like farming Final Assault in Sorrows. You can tag along with someone who already did the other quests and has it available.

I started ferrying tonight and have lined my pockets nicely.

Sep 12, 2007, 09:18 AM // 09:18	#1
lursey Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2005 Guild: d2 Profession: R/N	is this a bug or a game mechanism? I am not sure whether the act of ferrying people into the last quest of Duncan elite dungeon is a bug or a game mechanism. here is how it works. the Duncan's door will not be made accessible unless the other 4 quests have been done. however the whole team can be ferried to Duncan if there is only 1 person in the team who have killed all the other 4 quests.... which makes this a very good economical opportunity for that person who had done the 4 quests, not trying to killing off Duncan, and keep on ferrying people into the Duncan's room.. this is manifested by people in Umbral Grotto, advertising ferry trips to Duncan , pricing around 1-2k per person in the team. the run will generally take less than 4-5 minutes, and that person will be able to earn around 7-14k per run if there are a lot of groups going in. However it seems to me this is not the same for chap 2's elite mission or other kind of ferrying, because Duncan can be killed in this way, very quick and the Hierophant's Chest can be exploited many many times, without going through the so called "whole elite dungeon" quest. I just wonder, if that is okay for this kind of ferry to be continued.

Sep 12, 2007, 09:46 AM // 09:46	#3
lursey Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2005 Guild: d2 Profession: R/N	the person who ferries people may decide to stay in the group, and upon the death of Duncan, leave the game and ferry another group of people.. so yes.. he can just leave the room, or he can stay and make Duncan nearly die and leave the game.. and rinse..the quest again.. it seems to me the reward of that chest and the difficulty will then become an issue of too high rewarding for just a short quest. where the reward is not for benefiting the player's skill but game exploitation. Last edited by lursey; Sep 12, 2007 at 09:51 AM // 09:51..

Sep 12, 2007, 09:31 PM // 21:31	#11
Jeremy Untouchable Wow Stole my freetime Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Arkansas Guild: None Profession: W/E	yeah, its allways asked in my alliance, has anyone beaten a couple of the slavers quests? then we grab a team and do the rest of them and beat it. I dont think this should be changed. Its hard enough to get up a all human team for dungeons as is. Plus, you are missing a lot of drops by skipping to the end anyway. __________________ Jeremy The Seraphim LS R3

Sep 13, 2007, 03:54 AM // 03:54	#13
CyberNigma Jungle Guide Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: San Antonio, TX Profession: W/R	well if the chest really only drops 3 items (according to wiki) for an 8-person team, then I don't see any reason at all for people not going in there the quick route. If 8 people beat the dungeons then 8 people should get rewarded. If wiki isn't right, then disregard my comment. I remember back in my enlisted days giving half of a brief to a bigwig from somewhere I can don't want to mention. After the brief was over he had his pet lieutenant (every bigwig usually has one) give the other guy a coin (1 per brief). It kinda makes you feel like shit. Then again, as the poster above me (judging by his name and chevron) will probably attest, that's what officers do lol.. It relates. 8 people go through the dungeons, 1, 2 or 3 people get the reward, the rest kinda feel like shit. EDIT: Ok, scratch my comment then. Another entry in a different place mentions it does drop 3 items PER player. If that one's right, my argument goes away. Still its a game, and although I like to eventually do everything, some people like other stuff, like showing off wares and stuff. More power to them. It doesn't affect my play and only really affects people who play to trade, which more power to them as well. Last edited by CyberNigma; Sep 13, 2007 at 04:03 AM // 04:03..

Sep 12, 2007, 09:39 AM // 09:39	#2
arcanemacabre Grotto Attendant Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: North Kryta Province Guild: Angel Sharks [As]	So, are they just mapping out after getting them into the room?

Sep 12, 2007, 10:57 AM // 10:57	#4
Senrath Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Halfway between here and there Guild: Advanced Technology [CCCP]	Considering that Slavers' Exile will completely crush an unwary group, I think it benefits SOME skill. And personally, I like it better than DoA, where it was almost impossible to complete the final part without a near perfect group.

Sep 12, 2007, 11:36 AM // 11:36	#5
Antheus Forge Runner Join Date: Jan 2006	Slaver's Exile is henchable. Some people however prefer to get straight to the point, and have no problem dishing out money for it. So.... where's the problem? Complete the first parts, then ferry people and make money. This will drive the prices down, and make you rich at the same time. Why shouldn't someone sell skill and ingenuity? If it's so easy, why doesn't everyone do it?

Sep 12, 2007, 01:17 PM // 13:17	#8
quickmonty Ancient Windbreaker Join Date: May 2005	It's probably an exploit. If so, ANet is working on it right now (rather than fixing other things in GW:EN )

Sep 12, 2007, 05:32 PM // 17:32	#9
R!ghteous Ind!gnation Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2007 Profession: N/	Well it would be easily fixable... EVERYONE has to complete all other quests before Mallyx is playable.

Sep 12, 2007, 05:45 PM // 17:45	#10
plasmasword Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Sep 2005	It's too hard to find a full group of 8 who have completed the first bosses before duncan...

Sep 13, 2007, 06:56 AM // 06:56	#15
Sha Noran Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: http://tinyurl.com/2jlusq Guild: Idiot Savants [iQ] Profession: R/	Come on guys, this is ANet! It's not a bug, it's a feature!

Sep 13, 2007, 02:14 PM // 14:14	#16
jammerpa Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: May 2006 Location: Sunny FLA Guild: Omega Knights Profession: N/Me	Getting a green from the Hierophant's Chest is very rare. My group did 5 runs last night (ferried every time for 1k a piece) and only 3 greens weps dropped. Thats 35 times the chest was opened and only 3 green weps. So unlike the Mallyx chest where eveyone gets a green weapon, you really need to grind at this to get anything decent. I'd say it's not a bug.

Sep 15, 2007, 01:43 AM // 01:43	#17
makosi Grotto Attendant Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: "Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff. Guild: Requirement Begins With R [notQ] Profession: Me/	It's just like farming Final Assault in Sorrows. You can tag along with someone who already did the other quests and has it available. I started ferrying tonight and have lined my pockets nicely.